New Intel Gemini Lake NUC Review – J4005 – BOXNUC7CJYH1 / NUC7CJYH

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Find one at Tiger Direct – (affiliate link) – The first of Intel’s new low-end Gemini Lake processors are out! Here we take a look at their Celeron J4005 powered NUC barebones kit. Video index below. See more Mini PCs: & Subscribe for more!

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VIDEO INDEX:
01:09 – Price
02:17 – Buy memory in pairs
02:47 – Gemini Lake processor and what’s new
03:47 – HDMI ports and The mystery of 4k HDR support
04:59 – Ports
05:59 – No USB-C
06:31 – Performance: Dolphin emulator
07:45 – Gaming: Rocket leauge
07:55 – Gaming: Minecraft
08:16 – Gaming: half life 2
08:33 – 3DMark Cloudgate Benchmark
10:20 – 3DMark Stress test
10:47 – Performance: Web browsing and Office
11:24 – speedometer test
12:24 – Kodi and Blu-Ray MKV / Home Theater
13:22 – Linux / Alternative operating systems
15:37 – Conclusion and final thoughts

All in this is a nice improvement in performance. In some ways it matches last year’s quad core NUC with only two cores. Great performance on the Dolphin emulator and just about everything else we threw at it.

My only real gripe here is the apparent lack of HDR support. I say apparent lack because Intel indicated in marketing documents that it would support HDR at 4k but now appears to be backing off that claim. I’ll likely do a followup on this when I learn more.

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hey everybody its line siphon and we're taking a look today at a brand new chipset from Intel inside one of their brand-new knucks this is the Nook 7cj YH and it's equipped with a new Gemini Lake processor AJ 4005 this is the lower end of two different knucks they'll be having with this new chipset over the next few weeks and we'll try to get the other one in as well and this new chipset is their new low end processor that actually performs pretty nicely compared to the prior generation which was called Apollo Lake we're going to dive deeper into what this nut can do and see what this chipset can do here in just a minute but I do want to let you know in the interest of full disclosure that I paid for this with my own funds all the opinions are about to hear are my own nobody is paying for this review and no one has reviewed this content before it was uploaded so let's get into it and see what this thing is all about so let's take a closer look now at the hardware this is a bare-bones kit which means when you buy it and try to plug it in nothing will happen because you have to add RAM and storage so as a result the entry price on this is pretty low I paid about 125 dollars for this thing delivered but I did have to add the RAM and the storage to get it into a fully functioning computer there are two RAM slots inside it takes ddr4 Ram now up from ddr3 in the prior generation that's a good thing and it also has a SATA port onboard for a two and a half inch notebook harddrive similar to something like this so you can use a solid-state disk like this one or you can use a spinning hard drive if you want more capacity and not have not looking to spend all that much money on storage it'll take one of those laptop drives as well but only has that one SATA port on board and there's no m2 slot on this that some devices like this might have so you have one storage slot and that's it but of course you could plug in USB storage if you wanted to augment some of that now the RAM and storage will likely cost as much as the Nook bare-bones kit does if not more so you do have to budget appropriately you also need to buy a Windows 10 license if you intend to run Windows 10 on here so I think your entry costs will probably get you in around three or four hundred dollars when all is said and done the other thing I recommend you do when you do look at memory for this device is to buy the memory in pairs because the computer will run faster when the RAM is used in pairs versus just a single stick of RAM so in here I have two four gigabyte sticks of ddr4 RAM installed and that is what we'll be using throughout the course of the testing that you will be seeing on this device in this video now as somebody who reviews a lot of low-end hardware I'm often very excited to check out the latest and greatest stuff in this sector of the market and this of course has the new Gemini Lake chip and this is the first Gemini Lake device that we've looked at here on the channel this little nook has a j-4000 v processor built in it's a dual-core chip and I believe it's the low end of the low end here so this is kind of the entry point in this new product line there will be a quad core version of this nook with a pentium Class processor shortly it's also based on this Gemini Lake architecture so we'll try to get that one in and see how much faster that ship is versus this one but so far I've been pretty pleased with what I have encountered with this little guy so far and I'm looking forward to sharing that with you in the course of this video this new architecture adds ddr4 supports you'll have a little bit more memory being with for different applications it also has additional support for Hardware encoding and decoding of some high-end video formats namely HEV C at 10 bit and one of the things you'll notice on the back of this little thing is that we've got two HDMI outputs in fact this will support two 4k displays at 60 Hertz at the same time independent from each other so you can have a dual 4k monitor setup with this thing but here's the but I have not yet gotten a definitive determination as to whether or not this is going to support HDR video or not at the moment it certainly does not I was not able to get it to output HDR video to my 4k TV upstairs but Intel has given mixed messages on this their marketing says that it will support HDR video both on this low-end nook and the other one I hope to get in soon and then on there two employees responded to questions about HDR video one said that it will support HDR the other one said that it will not so I have absolutely no idea at this point and if you came to this video looking for an answer I don't have one yet but we will certainly do an update when we know one way or the other on this so stay tuned but so far it looks like at the moment it's probably not an ideal home theater box for people looking for some high-end activity there but it might do well in other less demanding home theater environments on the front here you've got two USB ports these are both USB 3 ports this one is yellow because if the computer is off and you plug in your phone it will charge your phone through that port but otherwise they are the same performing USB ports there on the front you've got a combo headphone microphone jack / audio output there so you can plug headphones right into the front of the unit your power button is right there and on the side here you've got an SD card slot this is a full sized SD card slot for downloading photos and whatnot you got a Kensington lock on here so nobody runs off with your brand-new nook it also comes with a VESA mount in the box so you can put it on the back of a monitor if you want so you have that option available to you as well we've got those two HDMI ports that I mentioned gigabit ethernet here you have optical audio out here if you are running some optical stuff out to your home theater receiver for example so you can do that or just plug in an analog output there so you've got two audio outputs on this box two more USB 3 ports and the power adapter sadly it does not support USB see I would would have loved to have had like one of those multi-purpose Jack's on here to plug in a dock or something to expand maybe some of its port availability but there is no USB C on this one it is strictly a old-school kind of connector here but for the most part I think it's got most of what people might look for so that is the hardware tour but let's get in and see exactly how this thing performs with our usual barrage of tests and I'll add a few more things to the mix a little later in the video – as this is our first experience with a Gemini Lake processor alright so on to kick things off first with its graphical performance specifically how well it handles the dolphin emulator which is something that often taxes a lot of low-end computer to the point where you really can't have a good playable experience out of it but here we're getting frame rates at around 30 frames per second fairly consistently occasionally it'll drop down to like 25 or so but even with all these other jet skiers on screen with us here this is very very playable I don't think we saw this kind of performance out of the Apollo Lake it was close but not as good and I think the last Apollo Lake I tested this with was the other Intel nook we looked at last year and that was a quad core version so this dual core the low end is performing at least with this Samuel emulator exceptionally well and I was very very pleased to see just how far this low-end hardware has come so this might be a good little emulation box certainly for MAME and other things but even maybe some more demanding stuff here like the dolphin emulators this was really cool to see that let me know if you'd like to see anything else tested on it so we can maybe do some follow-ups on the extras channel but this is a good indicator here of some of the improvements that we're seeing here at the low end of the processing spectrum and I couldn't get more excited for this and we also tested a few other games on this like rocket League and there we were seeing similar frame rates at 1080p with all the settings turned down about 20 or 30 frames per second minecraft also performed quite well it was kind of a little bit all over the place on its frame rates but we were seeing stuff as high as 70 frames per second and certainly above 30 frames per second most of the time so I think for Minecraft it should do very well this is running with the Java version of Minecraft as well so perhaps if you ran the Windows 10 version you might squeeze a little more performance out of it that way and then some older games like half-life to really run nicely on this platform there we were seeing frame rates above 30 frames per second most of the time a lot of times hovering into the 60 frames per second territory as well so all in I am really quite pleased with the graphical performance that we're seeing out of this now we also ran the 3d mark cloud gate test which we run on all of these devices to see how well it handles graphics versus other ones like it and there we got a score of 2978 and that was a pretty good score for what we have inside of here now compare that to the shuttle DX 30 which is running with a dual-core chip from the prior generation and you can see the graphic scores are pretty close between these two but the CPU score is much higher on the new Nook here with the new processor you can see that score on the physics column there four point eight eight frames per second versus two point nine two so there's something going on inside this chip from a CPU perspective that is bringing us a lot better performance which i think is translating out into a better emulation performance like you saw there with the dolphin emulator so that's a very encouraging sign that we've got some tweaks going on under the hood that are lending itself to better CPU performance also take a look at the Nook we looked at last year which was running with a quad-core Apollo Lake chip the pentium version that one got a higher score on its overall test here 3000 256 but again look at the graphics scores they're very close and although the CPU is faster on the prior generation chip it's not that much faster despite the fact that it has two more cores so I'm really eager to see how this new Gemini Lake chip will score in its quad-core variant on this test they were going to see a pretty nice CPU bump on there as well so every year we see a little bit better performance and we're certainly seeing that here with this new device and that was really nice to see I also tested the thermals on this to see how it does under load and it does have a fan that will kick on it's not very loud and it's not that distracting and we ran the 3d mark stress test to see how well it can get rid of the heat not being all that loud or distracting and there we got a score of ninety seven point nine zero percent which is a passing grade which indicates that we are not likely going to see a lot of performance degradation even under load so if you're playing the dolphin emulator for an hour or two you shouldn't see any real drop-off in performance the more that you push the chip of course the fan will be on but again not all that loud nor distracting and I was quite pleased with that overall it's also very quick when you're just browsing the web and doing work and that kind of thing you can see how fast the NASA website pops up here for us so a really nice browsing experience right now I am connected to Ethernet but it also supports wireless AC so we had a very good browsing experience with that we also kicked up my youtube channel and a 1080p60 video running there ran just fine there was one drop frame when it started but that might have just been a browser glitch or something but overall it was able to maintain a 1080p 60 video without issue there so that was good to see we also ran the speedometer web benchmark test and there we got a very high score actually 70 point nine and that was significantly higher than even the MINIX and 42c we tested a couple of weeks ago with the prior edition Apollo Lake chip are again running in a quad-core pentium variant that one only scored 42 point two so something's going on here that at least for that web benchmark test is giving us significantly better performance here I was really pleased with that it was also nice to see too that when I had this up on a 4k television it felt snappy and responsive it didn't really feel all that laggy when I was browsing the web on my 4k TV upstairs even with that the scaling enabled so that things weren't too tiny it actually works out pretty nicely on that display too so I think if you're doing some basic things like working on the computer on a 4k display you know we're processing an email and that kind of thing you have a pretty decent experience and it might make itself a fairly affordable workstation device for an office or something like that so let's move on now to home theater and we ran the usual jellyfish test file that we like to look at here on the channel that ran without incident both at 4k and 1080p that's 140 megabits per second 10 bit heb see which decoded again perfectly on this device no issues there 1080p blu-ray files also ran quite nicely on here so we were able to pass through the lossless audio successfully to my home theater receiver and it also shifted correctly to 24 p4 movies that were shot at that frame rate so all those boxes were checked but the HDR support just isn't there yet hopefully it will be coming but right now you can play back those Ultra HD movies but they're not going to look very good on your fancy television because it just isn't switching the TV into that color mode so again I'm hoping we see that in the future but at the moment I can't recommend this to an enthusiast because it just doesn't support HDR output at the time that I'm recording this video so let's move on now to alternative operating systems and I was able to get in boom to to load up but there is a caveat here which is that I had to download one of the nightly builds of an boon to to get it to recognize all the drivers now at the time that I'm recording this this little box just came out so the drivers for it are I'm guessing relatively new the good news is that the nightly build here I was able to get the video working properly it seems to be performing well we've got audio and Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and everything else functioning as expected here so I think over time these drivers will get merged into the main release version of anbu 2 and you'll have a very good experience with it here so this is something that happens all the time with these little nuts especially when there's a new chipset change is that it takes time for those drivers to get out so right now it is working again with the nightly build here but you will have some issues if you tried to run an older build with this without having to get through the process of shoehorning drivers into your linux installation to get it to work but again the nightly build here seems to be working just fine with all features that I can see supported another thing to note here related to this was that when we did install windows on here we had to go out to Intel and grab their drivers for the device there was probably about 10 or 11 different drivers that we had to download and install individually they do have a tool that will install on the nook that will update itself automatically which might be the easier way to go about things but the initial setup was a bit of a task just to get all the right drivers in place to get it up and running but I found over time that eventually those drivers are integrated into Windows at least so that when you first boot the computer up you won't have to go through that initial process just maybe have to run some updates and whatnot another odd thing was that Intel's graphics drivers for this we're linking to KB Lake drivers which were not compatible with this computer I had to go to their prior Edition drivers to get the graphics driver we needed to be able to even conduct our tests with this device so some things are just not quite there yet on Intel's website it looks like they're first getting geared up to support this new generation of processor but that's to be expected sometimes when you are on the bleeding edge of a a new generation of hardware so all in I am very pleased with a little nook with one exception of course which is the HDR support so I'm hoping that we'll see that come it's not not really clear if it is or it is not at this point but I think that would make it a really killer device even in this low-end dual-core form it's performing exceptionally well much better than I thought it would and I'm very eager to check out the quad core variant of this when it's available so I'll be on the lookout for it if you see any available let me know I'll go and pick one up immediately so we can do a nice comparison here and I will likely see a bunch of other computers running with this same processor coming up from other manufacturers as well so lots of stuff to see here with Gemini Lake in the months to come and I'm very encouraged by what I see so far let me know if you'd like to see anything else we can maybe put some things up on the extras channel or do a follow up video on this one so again let me know down in the comments below and until next time this is LAN Simon thanks for watching this channel is brought to you by the lon TV supporters including gold level supporters of black item blues music our podcast Chris Allegretto and Kalyan Kumar if you want to help the channel you can by contributing as little as a dollar a month head over to LAN TV slash support to learn more and don't forget to subscribe visit land TV slash s

New Intel Gemini Lake NUC Review – J4005 – BOXNUC7CJYH1 / NUC7CJYH

35 thoughts on “New Intel Gemini Lake NUC Review – J4005 – BOXNUC7CJYH1 / NUC7CJYH”

  1. I have one of these and I've come to like it very much. But I just found out it has a dual mic array built into the front and I've seen almost no mention of this anywhere except to note its inclusion. What's it for? Does it work well? Also, Great video.

  2. I was thinking about getting one of these, or, probably the next step up that's a quad core. However, what about Spectre, and the other CPU vulnerabilities. Do these CPU have this problem? The patches for the older CPU slow down a lot to deal with these. I'm thinking about waiting until next year. Hopefully they will have Spectre etc. ironed out by then.

  3. Just got this NUC to use as HTPC, installed windows 1803 (released on April 30) and now having issues when installing graphics drivers Intel UHD 600 on it getting BSOD each time I try to install it. I tried different versions including latest and 3 versions below and still the same BSOD. Called Microsoft and Intel and didn't get any solution. What version of graphics drivers have you used and what version of windows was it?

  4. Great wee machine, but obviously with questions over HDR and lack of Dolby Atmos etc. all these little NUCs are going to lose their main use as an HTPC connected to TV's.

    Really in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter what improvements the processor and chipset brings they are basically only web browsers and not a lot else (in the grand scheme of things).

  5. It is probably safe to conclude that this device requires Linux kernel 4.15 or higher for full functionality. Arch or Fedora 28 (beta), as well as Ubuntu 18.04. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is also a good bet. Maybe Solus, if their kernel is at that version.

  6. Great review. There was an optical output. But I didn't see an analogue one like you said there is and as far as I know you really can't make a combo plug for optical and analogue. Although these days nothing would surprise me.

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